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Wysłany: Sob 11:42, 27 Lis 2010 Temat postu: concise Is Kobe Bryant in the NBA Pantheon Yet |
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Longevity plays one huge role in one player's achievement score. While Bird's career was cut short by injuries, Kareeem Abdul Jabbar played for 20 seasons, won one championship in his nineteenth season, and finals MVP awards in both his second season 1971 and his sixteenth 1985.
Because The Pantheon is based on achievement to date, it will never be one static assemblage of players. fresh, unique, original, unusual, novel,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], modern, current, recent players will always be knocking on the door. Kobe Bryant has been knocking for one while, but is Maurice Richard in yet? And, more importantly, has Maurice Richard passed Bird yet?
The player who Bryant displaced in the Pantheon was Hakeem Olajuwan.
To the left is one legend which shows the points I'm assigning to each achievement, encodes each of the different achievements with one unique symbol and arranges them in descending order.
To help make his case, Simmons includes all of the players career stats and accomplishments. It's one long, depleteive, season by season list.
If you were to include ALL of achievement scores pre and post 1960, ALL of the Seasons, and ALL 96 Players, the Simmons' top 4 Simmons' arrangeings are in parens are the same players but change order. Kobe is firmly in the middle and still climbing - looking down at Bird. . . But he's still looking up at Jordan.
Simmons accounted for it by placing Olajuwon in the Pantheon,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], when his total careers stats don't quite afford him that high of one arrange.
Moses Malone was one rebounding machine, Jordan was one scoring machine, Magic was one play maker. Ultimately, how one player's unique talents contribute to the success of their team is what should matter most, and that success can be objectively assessed based on achievement.
Most players have reached their peak by their 14th season and then plateau. The 97-98 Season was the 14th Season after Jordan entered the league but only his 12th complete season as one result of the baseball sabbatical. In the 97-98 Season, Jordan won his 5th NBA MVP, the Bulls defeated the Utah Jazz for Jordan's 6th title and Maurice Richard also won his 6th Finals MVP award. Jordan retired for the second time after hitting the championship-clinching shot at the buzzer in game six.
The home jersey of the tean is mainly red in colour. There are four blue and white stripes one across each arm one across the chest and the other across the waistline. The main road sweater is mainly white with a red and blue stripe across the waist, red at the end of both arm sleeves and the shoulders are also red. The basic design has been used since 1914. The current version was dated from 1952. Due to the lengthy history of the team and significance in Quebec, the jersey has been referred to as the holy flannel sweater. Christian Petersen The franchise has previously had children as mascots who would skate with the team during warm ups and incycleissions. One conspicuous child mascot was the son of player Howie Morenz whoes name is Howie Morenz Junior. Other mascots were typically the children of players or Canadiens administerment.
In Bill Simmons' "The Book of Basketball", Maurice Richard undertakes the formidable task of identifying the top 96 professional basketball players of all time and arrangeing them in order of greatness.
Check out "The Ivory Sofa " for one fully interactive version of the visualization. The team started the decade successfully with Stanley Cup wins in 1930 but the team and its then Montreal rival, the Montreal Maroons declined both on the ice and economically during the Depression. Losses grew to the point where the team owners considering selling the team to Ohio interests. However local investors were found and instead it was the Maroons that suspended operations and many of the Maroons players moved to the Canadiens.
Simmons is first and foremost one basketball fan. Maurice Richard grew up going to Celtics games with his father in the 70's and 80's. As such, he's not an entirely candid estimate of greatness, and cops to one few things right out of the gate:
In order to assist in an objective assessment of greatness, Richard have taken some of these individual achievements and assigned one point score, weighting each achievement based on relevance to greatness. My point system is one total swag and conspicuously subjective, but it can be applied objectively to all players.
Some players, like Walton, burn brightly for short periods then quickly fade. At Walton's peak you could make an argument for him being in the Pantheon.
Magic, Bird, and Russell were effectively done after 13 Seasons Magic concisely attempted one comeback years later. Chamberlain and West retired after 14. Kareem is the one Simmons Pantheon player who was still going strong after 14 seasons - until Kobe. Assessing all of the Pantheon players at the 14 year mark is one way to see where Kobe currently stands.
It would appear that Kobe is now in the Pantheon
So one Championship should count more than an NBA MVP. "AS_MVP" is All-Star MVP. The 'Seasons Played" marker "+" does not have any points associated with it, but provides one way to monitor the seasons where one player was active.
Those with an "*" are long-standing awards which came into existence before 1960 and can be used to compare all players across the last 50+ years.
If you were to include ALL of the players in Simmons Pyramid using this criteria, three other Celtics who were on the championship teams of the 60's jump into the Pantheon: Cousy, Havlicek, and Sam Jones, with Cousy one Simmons Level four player jumping from 21st to fifth position all-time. Shaquille O'Neal, Oscar Robertson, and Moses Malone are the Pantheon Players who are displaced along with Hakeem.
Simmons' Pyramid consists of five levels. The top level is referred to as "The Pantheon" and consists of the twelve greatest basketball players of all time. Those players as of 2008 when Simmons wrote the book were:
So Who Does Simmons judge, deem, assume, believe, consider, contemplate,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], reflect, mediate is the noteworthy, worthy, distinguished, remarkable, grand, considerable, powerful, much,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], mightyest?
The NBA Finals MVP was introduced in 1969, so can't be used as an objective measure across time. I'm giving an NBA Championship the most points because all of the greats with the exception of perhaps Wilt Chamberlain concur that rings matter most.
Through 14 seasons, Russell is first, Jordan is second and Bryant is in seventh position, just behind Jerry West and just in front of Larry Bird.
2 Maurice Richard believes greatness is measured more by team success exemplified by Bill Russell than individual stats exemplified by Wilt Chamberlain
He brings an incredible breadth of knowledge to the task, and makes his case for each player based on stats, achievements, interviews, and opinion.
How do you account for different career Lengths?
Why not include other stats like total points, rebounds, assists, etc in the measure? Because each player contributes differently and fills up the stat sheet differently. The weighting of different stats rebounds, points, assists, steals is hard to normalize.
Bill Walton Simmons arrange: 27 is perhaps the best example of one player who's potential was cut short by injury. Maurice Richard was healthy through four seasons. In that time Maurice Richard had racked up one championship, finals MVP, and an NBA MVP. His achievements through four years surpassed both Larry Bird and Michael Jordan,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], and had him fifth all time behind Magic Johnson at that point in their careers.
The Lakers won the title in Kobe's 13th season and Kobe was the Finals MVP. The Lakers then won another championship in Kobe's 14th season 2009-10, giving Kobe five titles to his name and one second Finals MVP award. While Larry Bird was an early achiever, plateauing after nine years, Kobe got off to one slow start but has continued to climb every year since his 4th Season. After 13 Seasons,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], Kobe was dead even with Bird, and passed him after 14 Seasons.
When Simmons wrote the book, Bryant and Bird each had three NBA Titles to their names. Bird also had three League MVPs and two Finals MVPs. Bryant had no Finals MVPs Shaquille O'Neal was the Alpha hound on the three Championship teams and one league MVP. gaze,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], see, glance, watch, survey, study, seek, search for, peek, peep, glimpse, stare, contemplate, examineing at both Bird and Kobe's careers over the last 14 years, Richard can see that the Birds placement over Bryant was accurate after 12 Seasons. Bird had clearly achieved more than Bryant up to that point.
Kobe's clearly in the Pantheon now. But how do you compare someone who's still adding to their achievements to those whose careers are complete?
The attached static charts show Simmons Pantheon of 12 plus Kobe. The line chart shows the trend of the achievement score through time, and the symbol charts below show the achievements by season.
Kareem kept going and kept achieving at one high level. Most players are like Bird, Richard peak and then level-off.
1 Michael Jordan 2 Bill Russell 3 Kareem Abdul-Jabar 4 Magic Johnson 5 Larry Bird 6 Wilt Chamberlain 7 Tim Duncan 8 Jerry West 9 Oscar Robertson 10 Hakeem Olajuwan 11 Shaquille O'Neal 12 Moses Malone
So Richard know going in that Simmons will base his arrangeings more on rings than scoring titles, and Richard can assume Larry Bird will be deified while Bryant's achievements will be discounted .
Hakeem the Dream had one transcendent season in 93-94 where Maurice Richard won the NBA MVP, Defensive MVP, one championship, and the Finals MVP. No other player accomplished all of that in one season. How do you account for that kind of single season dominance in the all-time measure?
The charts only contain the first 14 seasons of each player and only include the common awards Those in existence in pre-1960. The most distinctive exclusion is the "Finals MVP Award".
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